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OK the age old question of is it me or the gun ! lol I bought an Italian gun I
am having a hard time hitting anything with it. I am told they are designed to
shoot high ? I did pattern mine @16 yards. At any rate it shot ( for me ) high
90% pattern above the orange dot. Alright this is a lot of vague info . But what
would you suggest to lower the point of aim ? Raise vented rib ? Sell the gun !
(I am an ok shot 20-21 type at skeet) Maybe 10-12 with mentioned gun.
I don’t think that the average Italian gun is designed to “shoot high”. They
should be average, unless they are trap guns. If your gun does shoot high for
you, and it sounds as though it does, the type of fix you follow will depend on
your sight picture. When you mount the gun, do you look straight down the rib?
Do you look over the rib and see a bit of rib? Do you look over the rib and see
a lot of rib? If you look flat down the rib and the gun shoots high, then it is
built into the barrels. Ditto if you see just a bit of rib when you mount. If
you see a bunch of rib when you mount the gun, then the stock is too high for
If you see a lot of rib, then the easy fix for a gun that shoots high is just to
sand the comb of the stock down until the gun shoots flat. Take some coarse
sandpaper on a sanding block to your pattern board. Shoot, sand, shoot sand,
etc. When the point of impact is close but just a little high, quit and take it
home and lightly sand to a finish and then give it a few coats of Tru-Oil. Then
pattern it again and sand a touch more if necessary/ Removing wood is easy.
Adding it back is hard. If your sight picture on the rib is flat or nearly so
and you are 90% above your aim point, then the gun really does shoot high. A
different rib will help, but they often look funny. An adjustable comb won’t
help in this situation because your sight picture would never be right. If it
were my gun, I’d probably sell it, but it’s not my gun so it’s easy for me to
Shotgun Report’s Technoid
I understand your desire for 1 1/8 oz. loads, but being a heretic, I recently purchased a full choke Model 42. I plan to use it primarily for skeet, but will occasionally shoot 5 stand and trap. If I decide to open the choke, what would you recommend based upon my planned usage. I am thinking IC, but I defer to your infinite knowledge.
Deference to my infinite knowledge! Uh huh. I’d defer to it too, if I could ever find it.
If you are going to use your M42 for 5 stand and trap (with a 410?- you are either crazy now, or will be soon), you had better leave the Full as it is. Always choke for the longest game.
To me, 410s only really have two chokes- Skeet and Full anyway. I had Briley screw choke my original Skeet M42 with .003″, 009″ and .015″. I probably would have been just as happy with .007″ and .020″. My Briley tube set has .005″ and .015″ across the board. The .015″ is perfectly adequate for general sporting clays. The .015″ isn’t too awfully terribly tight at skeet either, though the .005″ gives “rounder” breaks with #9s.
.005″ is a pretty standard skeet choke size in ALL the gauges. I do know of many skeet shooters who go down to .007″ and have heard that Wayne Mayes uses .009″ to .010″s in the 410, but he is thinking more about doubles in the shootoffs than I am.
Full should work OK on 5 Stand too. I don’t know how your 5 Stand is set up, but our FITASC parcours (we have very little 5 Stand in my area) are usually looooong. If you use #8s and all the choke you own, the 410 still seems to hit a wall at 35 yards. After that hits depend more on your Church attendance than on shooting skill.
And one last thought (the wisdom truly is infinite, or at least unrestrained). You might want to mike your “Full” choke and find out what it actually measures. 410 Full should be from about .020″ to .025″, but a lot of them came in around .015″. If it did, I would leave it there and consider the problem over. Also, depending on when your M42 was made (mine was made in 1932), your gun has had a lot of owners before you and someone may have tried to “improve” his scores by opening that choke up. Always mike first.
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(Often in error, never in doubt.)